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Just a quick observation….Lets say I were to be very interested in the Senator’s election in say, Utah. That elected senator would be voting on issues that affect me greatly as a Georgia citizen. Should I, as a Georgian, have a vote in the Utah election? Does this scenario apply here? (Honest debate question, no insults, no spin)

No, Chris, it doesn't apply here. The county is the smallest and most manageable area to work with that provides for accountability to the most number of folks.

Anything above that is too unwieldy and unmanageable. This is manageable.

BTW, nice to see some 4 year-olds are supporting Patrick Bell, John.

Hey Mr. Richard I would agree with you on this one. If someone can't stand up and oppose you, name and all, for Pete sake, keep quiet. Signed, Ms. Terry Baradine.

I must, in this instance, respectfully disagree. In my opinion, the size of the entity is a moot point. It is all about representation. The point about special interest groups and power brokers thriving in a system of district only voting is, again in my opinion, wrong. I will site this past commissioner election as an example. Laughinghouse had been labeled as the anti-growth candidate and Amos had been branded pro-growth. The race was very close with Amos winning his district 2 to 1. Then, however, Sharon Forks made their statement with a 10 to one win for Laughinghouse and the election was his. Sharon Forks is encompassed by very large and highly populated subdivisions that are influenced very much so by a group like, let’s say SMARTGROWTH. One could surmise that this special interest group played a major role in this past election because of the large amount of folks living in a small area all the while leaving the citizens high and dry in Charlie’s own district. (For the record, I did not vote for Charlie but I am very pleased with his work) I believe that one of two things should happen that would be in the best interest of voters in a county the size of Forsyth. Vote by district only, OR do away with districts all together and have all at-large commissioners. BYW, I do disagree with Commissioner Richard and will not be voting for him but the poll for RICHARD SUCKS is quite childish.

Chris, we'll agree to disagree.

But if the next sewer line needs to be run through your back yard, having only one commissioner you can complain to is going to be pretty ineffective. Because if all things are equal, the commissioner outside your district will do what his and only his constituents want and not care very much about your vote. Same with landfills, same with jails, same with treatment plants, etc.

Full county accountability is the best way to go.

I don't disagree with your last statement, and I can see both sides of the fence. I just feel that with county wide voting, in this county, is a major friend of the special interest groups.

I disagree with the Commissioner on this one. We have 159 counties in Georgia and only 22 or so remain that vote county wide, mostly rural counties. As the population grows you find that the districts are very different and change to district voting. I cannot figure out why all those counties (and the bulk across the USA) change to district voting as population grows and the Commissioner thinks they are wrong.

And before you jump on me, I am undecided.

I agree with Chris and see that many of our commissoners are elected by special interest groups and that is wrong. Forsyth is rampant with special interest groups and all are attempting to gain favor with candidates and candidates are attempting to gain votes with promises.

By the way, can anyone tell us how many of our current commissioners would be sitting on the Board if we had district elections for the last 6 years?

Dave,

who said I was supporting Patrick Bell

David, you're an idiot. Look out your window, and through the weeds and over the doggy poop, just over the top of that broke down car, you will see the idiot police patrolling your street. :)

Actually, the argument about special interests goes both ways as well. If you want to cherry-pick a single candidate in a particular district, there is nothing that forbids the special interests from throwing money, people and general support towards their candidate of choice, and this way they don't have to spread around their efforts; they can target them. District only voting INCREASES the chance for a special interest group or groups to get their candidate in.

And just because others do it, doesn't mean we should. Should we emulate Fulton in re-zoning laws, or maybe Gwinnett? They do things differently than we do, but do we want to be like them? The other counties did it for incumbent protection primarily, not because it was the right thing to do for their citizens. District only voting is what people in power or who want to be in power want to do. It is NOT in the best interests of the citizens.

Why would I listen to anything you have to say. You absolutely have no credibility... especially on this issue. The only reason why you don't want district or townships is then your cronies at Smart Growth couldn't vote for you and your own district would vote you out of office so quickly your head would be spinning....

ONly 11% of countys still vote like we do..Forsyth behind the times ...as usual.

Mr. Richard, can you please post empirical data that supports that voting district wide is better? Probably not. Can you give facts to support your position on this issue?

Our founding fathers wanted representation to be for the people. Period. What better way to give accurate representation of a given area than have a representative that was voted in for that district. Go back and read history.

Just because you didn't carry your own district is no reason to spin this one. You are not likely to carry your own district again. You would think as a conservative...that you would want representation district by district, hence more local control for those citizens in that district.

LOL, Did you see on www.youtube.com, sweeney for commissioner? What is so funny is his message its pretty good considering the audio and the video capability is not go gd.

His cheep video holding the kitten was historic at best. I never watched a 3 month kitten act better then the person holding it. It was priceless when the kit turned around when Sweeney sais he loved it and it loves him, priceless.

Great message Mr. Sweeney. You do have a great message for the citizens. sue sheehan

You will have my early vote..................

Let's see 90% of Georgians elect their commissioner by district. But Dave Richard is from Mass. -- home of the Kerrys and Kennedys . They're smarter than all us dumb Georgians. What do we know?

Let's see, should I listen to 90% of the state of Georgia or should I listen to Dave Richard?

I think I'll listen to 90% of the Georgia folks. Dave will flip flop on the issue next week anyway.

If you are having difficulty deciding which way to vote on this issue, just go back to the US constitution.

Mr. Richard.if you are having trouble understanding my meaning, please bone up on the 14th Amendment in particular of the US constitution, which speaks CLEARLY regarding representation by government.

Boycott Boff, Boycott meaning...To act together in abstaining from using, buying or dealing with as an expression of protest or disfavor or as a means of coercion.

TerryB, you have no clue - none, zero, nada - about the U.S. Constitution. Your referencing the 14th amendment is simply laughable.

Representation for the people is handled squarely in the county-wide voting structure. It is the largest area of coverage that allows everyone to vote for every person that is responsible for raising their taxes. District voting does not accomplish this.

God help us if anyone uses your argument on Constitutional principles to cast their vote.

You get LESS local control with district-only voting, not more.

No Mr. Richard...that is you spinning a web again. You LOST your area, henceforth, you want people to vote NO, to ensure you get voted back in over and over again. This is my opinion of your spin. Furthermore, I don't need a politician telling me which way to vote. I surely can think for myself. You just hate it when someone can debate you, and win! I don't want someone else voting for a candidate because of pandering to small groups and it would effect my district. Sorry, disagree and you're not going to convince me otherwise. Hopefully we can put a stop to a certain level of pandering that is occurring in this current election!

TerryB,

Sorry, but if I only had to run in District 4, I'd have a much better chance to win there, as I would only have to concentrate my resources on District 4 instead of spreading them across the county.

But the overriding question that has never been answered by anyone associated with the Bell campaign is what would you get different from what I have provided for District 4 in the past 4 years? The answer is nothing different, and probably less.

The jail isn't going into District 4.

Roads and intersections are being improved.

Zoning densities are way down in District 4.

Frankly, simply go to my website and read about how well I have represented District 4, and tell me how being elected by district will change the accomplishments in the past 4 years.

That's why my campaign is about Results - Not Rhetoric.

Results - Not Rhetoric? Hmmmmmmm.....

No matter which way the people vote, it seems the politicians raise taxes either way....so your argument does not hold water. If I really thought there was a true fiscal conservative out there and would stay that way once elected, I might consider your viewpoint on the issue.

So I guess you were asleep when the BOC reduced the millage rate two years in a row since 2005, right?

You probably aren't paying attention to the fact that our budget will be going DOWN by over $3 million since last year in order to keep from raising taxes, are you?

Don't let FACTS get in the way of a good argument, TerryB.

Now about my argument not holding water . . .?

The FACT is my property taxes are going up and I am not happy about it. Budget things accordingly so they don't go up.. I am Tired of the excuses from the politicians. You are no more a conservative than the next politician that claims they are a conservative. It's all smoke and mirrors sir. Go ahead, give me your best personal attack ever now. I am tired of 'politics as usual' with the special favors given to special interest groups. It seems like whatever MOB yells the loudest in this town gets what they want. The mob down in Forsyth with the biggest pull gets the county commission's attention. Voting district by district will stop some of this garbage. When will the Republicans in Office really be republicans anyway?

Spending? Dave, what does our county spend on legal fees and associated costs? I bet it is nearly a million dollars a year.

Results? Dave, you simply amaze me with your fairy tales. You have not accomplished .01% of what you claim.

TerryB? Republicans will be republicans when we elect one. Remember, Dave is a libertarian.

or is it liberpublican...no wait, I think it republitarian...no wait...who's on first?

He keeps changing! A flip-flopper that Dave is!

David Richard Jul 1, 2008 3:50pm [ 22 ]

“But the overriding question that has never been answered by anyone associated with the Bell campaign is what would you get different from what I have provided for District 4 in the past 4 years? The answer is nothing different, and probably less. That's why my campaign is about Results - Not Rhetoric.”

DR’s question; “what would you get different from what I have provided for District 4 in the past 4 years?”

David Milum’s answer;

I would bet any takers that Patrick Bell or any other commissioner would never foolishly attack an innocent Forsyth County family because he is childishly infatuated and dumbstruck with a woman county attorney like you are Mr. David Richard with county attorney Angela Davis.

The evidence will show Forsyth County Voters that you Sir are clearly a liar. And it will also show Sir that you used your power as a county commissioner to help county attorney Angela Davis, by way of her direct property interest, in an all out assault to rob the innocent Hansard family from their property for a cul-de-sac when Angela Davis’ driveway encroached over on the Hansard’s property.

I offer your letter to Shawn Scott as another example of your infatuation with women, that you can never have, that causes you to do stupid things and foul this county with your foolishness that harms us Dave Richard. Both of these women including those in the Admin. Bldg. most probably see you Sir as a homely little turtle underfoot.

Your senseless “no compassion in government” attack fortunately failed against the innocent Hansard family but not before you Mr. Dave Richard cost me and every Taxpayer in Forsyth County $239,000.00 for your failed effort to harm this innocent family. It also cost the innocent Hansard family over $300,000.00 in lawyer’s fees to fight you off reportedly.

This is the difference Mr. Richard and this is the reason I wouldn’t vote for you as a dog catcher, my apologies to the honest dog catchers of this world. You David Richard attacked an innocent Forsyth County family with the help of one of our own county attorneys!

As usual, Mr. Milum has no FACTS, no intelligence, and no knowledge of the English language. He is a bald faced liar as well, and the lowest kind of life form on the planet. That he is supporting Patrick Bell, knowing who is handling Mr. Bell's campaign, shows the type of people who support Patrick Bell.

That being said; Jimmy, you need to prove that I didn't do what I said I did. The FACTS are all out there for anyone to READ, and can be easily verified by HOMEWORK. (I know, not your strong suit)

TerryB, did you file your appeal on your property tax assessment yet? If not, stop whining and DO SOMETHING about SOME ISSUE, instead of just whining.

And the FACT is the M&O millage rate is staying the same in 2009, the fire millage rate is staying the same, and the only reason that the bond millage rate is going up is because the voters passed the park and rec bond referendum 70%-30%.

And you can complain all you want, but this commission DID lower the millage rate two years in a row, and I made both motions to do so. It's not my fault you were asleep at the switch when that happened.

And it is a FACT that this commission will spend about $3 million LESS in 2009 than we did in 2008. I know that FACTS sometimes get in the way of logical, knowledgeable thinking, TerryB, but you just have to use them when they're staring you in the FACE.

Now, do you have anything else that proves that you are well-qualified to be a Patrick Bell supporter? Maybe you'd like to tell us why you believe the Earth is flat, or how the Sun revolves around the Earth, or how any other known FACTS don't quite meet your approval?

Your lashing out at me serves little purpose except to further derail your chances at re-election. I am not only embarassed for the county, but wish you would not be in this race. And that is only because I feel some compassion to someone who showed such great promise, but now shows me such great disappointment.

And I am being honest here, sir. Not mean, not hostile. Quite frankly, I really feel badly for you.

TerryB,

Thanks for not refuting any of the FACTS in evidence. Proves you are a card-carrying Bell supporter.

David Richard Jul 1, 2008 10:26pm [ 30 ]

As usual, Mr. Milum has no FACTS, no intelligence, and no knowledge of the English language. He is a bald faced liar as well, and the lowest kind of life form on the planet. That he is supporting Patrick Bell, knowing who is handling Mr. Bell's campaign, shows the type of people who support Patrick Bell.

David Milum: Mr. Richard will you tell these readers what it is that makes me a bald faced liar specifically. I'm sure they'd be interested just like I am. And, who is it that is handling Mr. Bell's campaign? I am honestly curious.

And on another note; you will be given the full and totally unhindered opportunity to say all those nasty things to my face one day. And I wouldn’t miss it for the world when one of these women you continually insult gives you that same opportunity. Just hope I am there to film when you are asked to repeat some of your insults.

Let me see if you will answer these questions Dave. I'll keep on asking them until I receive legitimate answers since you want me to have my FACTS ready for you. Let me make this easy for ya.

Did you outright lie when you said that you were not involved whatsoever in the attacks on the innocent Hansard family because county attorney Angela Davis’ lake front driveway encroached over onto the Hansard’s land? Did you personally participant in these unwarranted attacks by using your power with the county and Angela Davis’ influence with you Dave Richard? Did you have several conversations with me about fence heights while you made derogatory remarks about the Hansards?

Did either you or Angela Davis have conversations with the Terry Williams Law Firm who replaced Jarrard & Davis upon their recusal? Did you and Angela Davis adamantly claim that you both had nothing whatsoever to do with this attack on the Hansards? Just look at your responses to us on this thread Dave. Let me show these readers how you answer questions when you really get pinned down Dave Richard.

I am undecided on the vote for district voting.

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Vote on July 15th to Stop the Threat of the Destructive Duo of Tam and Tressler. No more commissioners with special interests at heart instead of the interest of the citizens at heart. VOTE NO To Tam and Tressler. VOTE for the citizens choices of : Busse OR Smith and Boff - Best One For Forsyth.

Dave, how much did we spend on legal fees and related expenses last year?

Jerry,

Approximately $1.5 million last year. The best $1.5 million this county ever spent on anything.

Clear enough for ya?

Mr. Milum,

Already answered. I do not repeat myself.

1.5 million in legal fees?? So how much is in the budget for 2009 for legal fees.....2.5 million?

TerryB,

Pay attention. The budget is going DOWN. How many times do I have to say that to you before it sinks in?

Why are you such an arrogant jerk?

Why don't you tell TerrryB how much is budgeted for next year you little turd? You got the budget yesterday.

Of course it's the best money we spent in your eyes, you a re a sue happy little turtle of a man.

Clear enough for you?!?

THE BUDGET won't go down since you people have chosen to now sue the Corps over Bethel Park. Why the heck wasn't this put out for a vote in some manner?? Can you say ballot initiative. Let the special interest groups pay in and buy in if they want it so bad.

The public comment that THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS PUBLISHED speaks volumes....Mr. Richard, did you even read it??

Mr. Richard.......here is the document from The Corps of Engineers...Maybe you need to pay attention and do your homework on the public comments listed from page 35 on down!

Mr. Richard.......here is the document from The Corps of Engineers...Maybe you need to pay attention and do your homework on the public comments listed from page 35 on down!

Here is the link - sorry if this got double posted. http://www.sam.usace.army.mil/pd/EAs/Final%20EA-scanned.pdf

I love how Commissioner Richard talks to his county-wide "constituents." The only reason he gets so defensive and has to acknowledge everyong of Patrick Bell's "lies," on his website is because he knows he is losing his race.

dave.... thanks for the QUICK response to the QUESTION i asked! And i have another question for you: What do you think the voter turnout will be between you and Bell? Maybe 90/10, 100/0? Prob not 100/0 because some "people" actually believe dave, and why i dont no and DONT CARE (so dont tell me dave)

I also ask for your voice on the ANTI-DAVE petition that you can find at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dave_sucks/ and hope you will sign it!

And why are you so OPPOSED to DISTRICT voting??? Is it because you lost your own district (4) but the other districts (1,2,3,5) you won? isnt that sad.... he lost his own district.. because WE know him (unfortunately) and the people in districts 1,2,3,5 dont know him and dont know what to think about you?? is that it?

VOTE YES! TO GOP Ballot Question #2!!! DISTRICT VOTING IS A GREAT THING P.S. - TERRY IS NOT AN IDIOT, YOU ARE!

He has to try and poke holes in the truth on his little website. He clearly said that quote and now, as usual, does not want to own up.

John,

I didn't bother to respond to your question because if I said what I should have said to you, it would have been considered child abuse. I try not to talk to 4 year-olds that way. And my opposition to district voting is clearly stated above. Can't you read?

Jerry,

Did you read the WHOLE e-mail, or only what Wonder Boy wanted you to read? I know what the WHOLE e-mail discussion was about, since I was the one responding to the constituent who was angry at the rest of the board for giving away tax dollars to businesses.

It was not an email, David. It was a single post you put right here on cuminghome.com

David,

When did you start caring about others?? Especially kids.. Remember when you VOTED NO to school SPLOST? Here's a little something that might help you remember: "He opposed the school SPLOST and Bonds harder than the the guys that opposed the recent SPLOST. I understand his kids go to private school so it was no matter to him if it failed."

SOURCE: http://www.aboutforsyth.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4198

John,

You should know that the last part of the statement is absolutely false. My childen have never attended private schools. Someone else is lying about me to further their campaign.

Jerry,

The entire reason for replying to the constituent was to point out that I didn't vote for the specific additional giveaway, not that I didn't support the Economic Development package.

Now, do you have anything else you are wrong about me to post?

TerryB,

Your Constitutional ignorance is showing (again). And this time, I'm not even going to bother to point out your ignorance.

I'll just see if you can figure out what you said that goes against the Framers of the Constitution.

I know I'll be waiting a long, long time for you to figure this one out.

Oh puhleeze Mr. Richard... I am off to the fireworks tonight..Don't you EVER give it a rest? I am going to celebrate my US constitution tonight. What about you? Going or not?

SPLOST 6

Jim Boff... DIDN'T EVEN SERVE HIS OWN DISTRICT!!!

Serving on the committee are Jim Boff (District 1 representative); Charles I. Smith (District 2 representative); Bob Charles (District 3 representative); Charles Cantrell (District 4 representative); Ernest Turner (District 5 representative); Tracy Moon (Cumming-Forsyth County Chamber of Commerce representative); and John Manton (senior community representative).

If you want to get rid of Dave Richard and the Smart Growth mafia vote YES to District voting.

I don't think Dave Richard wants to talk about water. He is the one that mislead Smart Growth about the water allocation.

Besides, by the look of his booth last night and at the parade today I think he wants to run the Bethel Park group instead of running for commissioner. He had signs up in his booth and on his trailer for Bethel Park. That should tell you folks that Dave Richard is the special interest incumbent.

If you want a voice vote for Bell.

David, you opposed SPLOST for schools, opposed SPLOST 5, opposed the sewer incentive for the Avenue Forsyth and more...

This time around we get to vote, and we are going to oppose you!

Dave...

You said "You should know that the last part of the statement is absolutely false." (SOURCE: ABOVE)

What about the first part? Is that true?

My comments... I did not mean to sling any mud earlier. I never meant to offend anyone or hurt anyones feelings. I saw that information on a web page and would of liked to know how to serve on a committee and it not be in the district you live in. Which were answered by Boff and Smith. Some of the other comments got spun way out of control and some were not signing their name and I said somethings I am embarressed about... I want to apoligize to you Jim Boff for those comments - I AM SORRY!!!

Debra,

Are we ever going to get an answer from you regarding your position in the Patrick Bell campaign, and why you consistently violate is Clean Campaign Pledge?

Why can't Bell supporters get even simple things right?

David,

Are we going to get an answer from you regarding your false statement about Forsyth County being "this close" to obtaining a water permit?

Or the name of one county commissioner who will back up your lie? And remember, Tim Perkins isn't a county commissioner.

Will we get an answer as to whether you condone the actions of your ex-con buddy Jerry Wickliffe lying to your opponent about moderating the SGFC debate? You must approve of his lie. You haven't condemned it.

For those who haven't seen it yet, here is the email Wickliffe sent to Patrick Bell on the eve of the last debate:

From: jerry wickliffe [mailto:] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:42 PM To: Subject: TeamBell :: Elect Patrick Bell :::

This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.teambell.org from: jerry wickliffe co_wickliffe@bellsouth.net

I understand that you think I cannot remain unbiased in this last debate. I certainly don't want any candidate to think I am biased towards one candidate as opposed to another. I am as a private citizen not a member of Smart Growth going to vote for certain candidates. I want this debate to be fair and not seen as biased so I will not be the moderator. I think as I am a former Eagle Scout I would want this debate as fair as possible.

Of course, we all know what happened next. The lying ex-con buddy of Richard DID host the debate.

Keep changing the subject, Debra.

When you Bell supporters know the right questions to ask, you'll get the answer you deserve.

Now, in what official capacity do you serve on the Bell campaign, and why shouldn't we believe that his Clean Campaign Pledge is simply hot air?

Dave,

When are you ever going to understand that you are the servant and should answer questions posed to you.

I also find it difficult to understand how calling you out on your lies, your comments, voting history and the opposition to many things (as evidenced on your web) is violating a clean campaign pledge? A pledge you turned down by the way.

Because you have been caught in lies, proven to flip-flop and your public comments have been made an issue, you seem to think it violates a clean campaign. Buddy, you are further out there than I thought.

You were told by many that all your actions would catch up with you and they have. That's not anyone violating a clean campaign pledge. It's you violating the very public that elected you.

Vary mature Dave... now your ignoring me you insensitive boob.

Well Mr. Richard..This statement of yours says it all:

"When you Bell supporters know the right questions to ask, you'll get the answer you deserve."

Us idiots out here....pick up on this garbage all the time. Can you explain the right questions we should ask..... what are those, the kind that make you look good?

No TerryB, the right questions to ask are INFORMED questions - something you and Bell supporters aren't intimately acquainted with.

Please stop alluding that I am uninformed. Should I call this a lie? No, I won't go there either. I have asked you a multitude of questions of you on this forum and on other forums...whether you believe they are uninformed questions or not.. is irrelevant. Plain and simple, you don't answer them. If folks go and look on this website, some candidates have answered questions, but you, sir, rarely, if ever do.

David,

Here are a few questions from John that I noticed that you have not answered. Would you please answer them for me?

• "why are you so opposed to district voting???"

• "When did you start caring about others??"

• "Remember when you VOTED NO to school SPLOST?"

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And now David, I have a few questions for you: (YES OR NO) (Questions 4 and 5 are short answer)

1) Is it true one (or more) or your children were in private school?

2) Did/have you EVER voted NO for school SPLOST in past?

3) Did you vote AGAINST sewer for the Avenue Forsyth?

4) Did you OPPOSE the Joint Venture park, and Why?

5) Why were you using COUNTY business cards at a campaigning event?

6) Is the following statement true? " You (Dave) told the people at Smart Growth that we were "this close" to splitting the water allocation permit, Then after the meeting said you told someone it would probably happen before the election?"

Frankly, you Bell supporters can just go pound sand as far as I am concerned. I have taken more crap from you than I deserve, and you just aren't important enough for me to respond to you anymore.

David, now that hurts! You aren't going to respond to us anymore. But that's OK. We're going to respond to you the rest of this week and again on July 15.