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Jim

Thank you ,Lauinghouse and the other 2 commissioners for a job well done. This was necessary to come to an agreement now rather than later.

I do have one query. Why was the splost vote,agreement not set up to be "challenge" proof by the Mayor? We knew he was out to get more for Cumming and he took it to task. I for one would have liked to avoid these situations in the future...

Again, I know you have the best interest of the citizens of Forsyth,unlike Richards.

Lauren Simon

Lauren, let's just say that all of us at the County were surprised at the Judge's comments. If you want to discuss further, send me an e-mail at jwharrell@forsythco.com with your phone number and I will call you.

Jim Harrell District 3 Commissioner

Ms. Simon,

Let me set you straight on the reality of the situation, since you do not understand it.

NO agreement with the city of Cumming, as long as Ford Gravitt is mayor, is challenge-proof. None. I can guarantee you that if the city finds that they do not have the money to complete their updated plans for the aquatic center in 3 years, they will be back in front of us demanding (not asking, but demanding) more money, DESPITE the legal language making this agreement "challenge-proof". That is not a personal opinion, but rather backed up by FACTS that the city is the ONLY government that has ever initiated or threatened to initiate a lawsuit against this county (see the $8.3 million in reserves we gave up on Pilgrim Mill Rd.). We have not done the same.

The only way to avoid this situation in the future was to allow the litigation to be appealed and moved forward in order to set a firm, LEGAL precedent in a court of law, which this commission chose to not pursue. Mr. Harrell and three other commissioners completely and totally IGNORED the county attorney's legal advice (again) in choosing to pursue this agreement (another FACT), and the county will suffer for it in 2013 when the next SPLOST is in front of the voters.

Neither Jim nor Charlie will have to face this issue then, but whoever is on the new board will. A short-term decision to a long-term problem was made today.

And let's not get tangled up in the best interests of the county argument. We could have likely been collecting SPLOST6 taxes in October of 2008 following successful appeal, not as late as April of 2009 as the gloom and doomers keep mentioning, and there remained a slim possibility of no interruption of collections at all, but some people won't tell you that, because it doesn't help their case for appeasment.

The other thing is that even IF an appeal was unsuccessful, all pre-work on SPLOST projects could have been done and ready for the first day of collections in April of 2008, and because of the bond issuance, have been funded from that day forward. As we will be issuing bonds no earlier than September of 2008, there would have been ONLY a six month delay in CONSTRUCTION of the road projects, so Jim's argument has no real weight whatsoever.

Jim's solution was in the best SHORT-TERM interests of Forsyth County. His will last no more than 5 years, and probably will be less than that. Mine was in the best LONG-TERM interests of Forsyth County. Mine would have been forever. I'll take mine every day, and I'd still get the roads done quickly.

Those are the FACTS, Ms. Simon; not just my opinion.

You have to love the arrogance and the ego of a man that truly believes that he is smarter than all of the people in the county AND that he can see the future.

In as much as the County did initiate a lawsuit against the City in SPLOST V, I have no idea where Dave’s “facts” are coming from. Check out the agreement with the City re this.

The BOC did NOT ignore the county attorney’s legal advice, but chose to build roads rather than litigate. The benefit to the citizen’s of the county seem to be totally lost on Commissioner Richard as he pursues his personal quest to “nail” the mayor.

Only time will tell whether Chairman Laughinghouse and I will run again or be re-elected if we do. However, Dave’s fate will be known much sooner. Would Dave, in his arrogance, like to predict the out come of these races?

Dave, did you really say “let's not get tangled up in the best interests of the county argument”? Surely, members of the BOC are supposed to deal with exactly that. If you, as professed, want a long term solution then appeal is not possible since the City could then appeal the split by percentage of population. You cannot have it both ways, Dave. Shame on you for trying.

My argument has plenty of weight, Dave, if you consider the LOSS of GDOT funds. I understand that you do not serve on the tranportation committee but you are privy to our conversation with the new GDOT commissioner.

In your infinite wisdom, Dave, you would have cost this county 25 to 45 million in road prjects over the next 8 to 9 months because you have this “personal thing” with the mayor of Cumming. There is no place for personal grudges on the board of commisioners. We are here to serve the people. I do not expect you to “get it”. I expect another convoluted attempt at justifying your position that would cost the people of this county the much needed road improvements they so desperately want and deserve.

Jim Harrell District 3 Commissioner

Jim I wanted to personally say thank you to you and Charlie Laughinghouse.

Jim,

Allow me to thank you also for a job well done. Hang in there. In January, you will have a new Republican commissioner in District 4 who is committed to teamwork and professionalism. Patrick Bell will be a breath of fresh air to replace all the hot air the county has been treated to the last 4 years.

As usual, some people don't get it. It is a shame when it is county commission who has been taken in once before.

It doesn't take a genius to see the future where Ford Gravitt is concerned. Unfortunately, some people can't stand up with a principled argument when faced by a bully.

Jim, you were fleeced by the mayor on Pilgrim Mill Rd. when you ignored the advice of the county attorney, then boldly stated that you would not be taken in again by him. But when the rubber met the road on SPLOST, you folded like a lawn chair - again. Actions speak louder than words, Jim.

We did not sue the city for SPLOST 5 proceeds, we asked a judge to tender a ruling on which takes precedence, the ballot number, or the percentage of money owed. We didn't ask for anything that we weren't owed, we just wanted to know which way was the right way to go. Pay attention during executive sessions, sir.

The BOC had many options to consider when choosing to litigate or not. Sadly, the default position is appeasement when it comes to this mayor and this commission. Winston Churchill once said, "The appeaser keeps feeding the crocodile, in hopes that the appeaser is the last one eaten". But the crocodile always wins when you appease. You apparently think that 6 months is a long time in which to delay construction on roads - I don't. And I don't consider that delaying this decision until the next SPLOST comes up in 2013 is the best way to go in order to save 6 months of road construction. That is the LONG-TERM approach to this issue.

And yes, my long-term approach would have been to either appeal, or go the bond validation route. And yes, the city could have cross-appealed. But again, if you had listened to our county attorney (the only one in the room with a law degree) you would have heard some very interesting thoughts on the city's position and the county's strength on appeal. But that would mean that you would have had to be listening, instead of trying to find the reasons to justify folding under pressure again.

And again, we would have LOST nothing in road funds. They merely would have been delayed the 6 months stated above. Try convoluting your way out of that one.

And while we're at it, try justifying your's and Charlie's actions in deliberately excluding 3/5ths of the voting members of this board when negotiating a litigation settlement. I can't wait to hear that one.

And after that, tell us why you sent the agreement over to the city for approval BEFORE the rest of the commission had a chance to voice their concerns about the agreement.

You campaigned for a lot of things in 2006, Jim. One of them was open government. You failed us in that regard on Tuesday. You also talked a great deal about getting a fair deal with the city of Cumming on many issues. You failed us in that as well.

Charlie talked a lot about the "big dog" and the "little dog" when discussing contention between the city and the county. You took pride in yourself on following Charlie's speeches by saying, "I agree with him". Well today, the Great Dane was chased out of the house by the chihuahua.

I have a problem with the mayor because he is a bully and he doesn't accept any agreement regardless of the words on them as long as he can get more money for his projects. He has every right to try to get that money, but NOT at the expese of county-wide projects. You gave him $8.3 million dollars out of our reserves for Pilgrim Mill Rd., then you followed it up with another $12.5 million when you emboldened him to sue again because you folded the FIRST TIME.

And on elections? Since I'm talking to a great deal of people right now, and you're apparently not, if the 2006 election were to be held today, I don't think we'd be seeing Commissioners Laughinghouse and Harrell being sworn in in January.

I'll worry about my re-election campaign, Jim. You work on developing that spine. We'll need it when the mayor comes back for funds on the aquatic center in 2010 when the mismanagement comes to pass.

Jim,

It is disappointing that you voted to once again allow the City to take advantage of the Citizens of Forsyth County.

This "agreement " has given the City another 12.5 Million dollars of Forsyth County Citizens money and control over our Aquatic Center.

What possibly could be wrong with waiting 8/9 months to start collecting SPLOST? Honestly, most folks have been waiting YEARS for road improvements.

How SAD it is that the City, with your help/vote, has once again taken money from the citizens of Forsyth unfairly. You voted to give away our money, 12.5 Million, and we are the very folks who elected you to represent US not the City.

We voted for SPLOST and encouraged others to do the same because for once the City was going to receive the fair split of 4.29%. Remember that City leaders campaigned hard against SPLOST. The Citizens of the Forsyth County, not the City of Cumming, approved it by 70%.

It is important to remember that the positive votes were cast when it ensured that Forsyth County received 95% of revenue.

I'm glad the county and city reached an agreement and saved millions in lost revenue. However, I still think Dave should have been included in the discussions if he wanted to be. He is still a commissioner elected by the voters to represent them. However, Mr. Harrell and Mr. Laughinghouse's preference to exclude him is understandable also.

Jim:

When did you turn against Dave Richard? It was Dave that explained to you about the Castleberry rezoning to allow Sal to withdraw his application. You voted against it and then voted for it....can't make up your mind?

It has appeared to me many times at the BOC meeting or watching them on television that it is Dave that keeps you up to speed on what is going on.

Thanks for being a disappointment as a Commissioner. One who sold his district out for a strip mall on Castleberry (where your promise of traffic relief should have taken place for the safety of the citizens "Job One Every Day") and for gaving 12.5 million to the City. You did not hear the citizens you work for.

Dist. 3 needs a new commissoner.

Hey Jim, I see the math that led to the decision and so do most county residents...Thanks for sticking your neck out. Who are you endorsing this July????? Who do you think Charlie will??? Also, how many times have you and the others cringed when you have read what the savior writes?

see more facts---- I would suggest you read Dave Richard's very own website and all the comments posted over the many months here on this website. I honestly don't know how people have any sort of working relationship. You'd have to be a saint to put up with it.

So Mr. Richard, why don't you give us a break down on what an appeal would have cost since you have this supposed crystal ball? Come on now, I am sure you can put on your thinking cap and give us some 'strategic' thinking. And isn't it far better to sit down to a table like grown adults and hash out an agreement. I think most people would say so.. When are you going to let go of this issue YOU HAVE with the cumming mayor? It is time for you to move on, no?

David, why is it now okay to delay SPLOST but when there was opposition last winter you called those that wanted to delay it a bunch of idiots. Have you moved over to the idiot side?

Sometimes, David, just sometimes you have to look beyond what's right in front of you and see that this was an agreement to get SPLOST back on track so we did not lose valuable projects like Taubman.

I know you hate the mayor but I think you are a little jealous of him. He is well liked, successful and been elected over and over again. You should not let your hatred get in the way of making a good decisdon for the citizens. And that is just what you have done. So talk about everyone else but take a hard look in the mirror. You have caused more damage than anyone.

I appreciate Jim, Charlie, James McCoy and the others for hammering out an agreement that we can live with. I appreciate Brian Tam and Linda for voting in favor. I send my thanks to the city council for the approval.

Dave, you are upset because you got left out and you cannot take it. That's the bottom line. And they way you are acting right here and the way you are talking to a fellow commissioner is a disgrace. Who are you trying to impress??? This is why you need to vanish.

The money we gave away is going for an aquatic center we all can use. So we gave nothing away. Maybe some control but hey, we got enough to do. Let the city build it and operate it, who cares? We all get to go swiming!

Whoever is running your campaign is probably choking on acid reflux about now. I just know they want you to zip your mouth and fingers. But you will get quiet as the election looms near and you will succumb to your campaign manger. But we will remember...yes, we will remember on July 15.

Thanks again Jim!

Dishroom,

Pay attention.

I do NOT HAVE A CAMPAIGN MANAGER. Never have, never will. No one is "handling" me, and no one advises me on what to say. They know that it is useless to try. Principled people cannot be told what to say if they do not believe it.

ANd stop the psycho-babble about any jealosy I have regarding the mayor. I have no feelings whatsoever for or against him, except that he screws with the county and it's taxpayers. I don't like that, and you shouldn't either, unless you live in the city.

Tell me in 5 years how much swimming you get done at the aquatic center when the swim teams are hogging ALL the pools, because two commissioners forget or deliberately left out one word - RECREATIONAL - in the agreement. And tell me when you try to go swimming and the pool is being restricted the 40% of the time. And tell me when you try to use a feature you expected, and the city has taken $2 million dollars and built meeting rooms or weight rooms instead of pools.

Oh yeah, and tell me about how we just gave a little bit of control away with our money, and you crack up at one of the 4 intersections that WILL NOT be improved in the county because we don't have the $2 million bucks anymore.

And I never said I wanted to delay SPLOST. You ave absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. I thought we could win (like our county attorney also did), and collect the whole tax from day one. Even if it got delayed until October, we still wouldn't have lost a single month since the bonds won't be floated until at least September. And even if we had to delay until April, we could still do a great deal of pre-work on the roads we were going to bond.

And I'm upset because THREE commissioners were left out, one of them being the ONLY voice that doesn't give up the first time the mayor says no.

And you know what? The more I look at Taubman, the more I think they are just killing themselves to come here, and have shown no urgency in their efforts that couldn't be addressed in April of next year.

So again, you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about.

TerryB,

Since I wasn't invited, I wouldn't know what it would be like to hash out issues across the table from the city. But I do know how to negotiate effectively, and it all depends on the person or persons across from you. You wouldn't know that, because you have never sat in on one of my negotiating sessions. Neither has Jim or Charlie. But I still get what is best for the county, each and every time. because I am VERY effective at negotiating.

What I do know is that there would be plenty of cooperation betwen the city and the county if the only person that sued or threatened to sue were not in office. For Bell supporters, that would be the mayor of cumming. As usual, you are not even recognizing the problem.

As to an appeal, that would have been very quick, and have taken less than the approximately $30,000 in legal fees the majority of the board threw away by negotiating AFTER the court case, and not before.

Is that so? and how many 'negotiating sessions' have you been in concerning county business in the last 4 years. And if you were in any, how come Jim and Charlie weren't there.

PS. What problem do you have with swim teams? Sounds like you are really grabbing at straws with that! I like swim teams!--- great recreational activity for kids and adults too.

Mr. Richard, you stated it would cost approx. $30,000 and would be quick. How did you derive that figure and how on God's green earth would you know if it would be quick or not??

Stilll waiting for an answer on the previous questions...what negotiations have you been at without Charlie and Jim? Can you clarify?

As always; here are a few selected statements of Commissioner David Richard:

“Let me set you straight on the reality of the situation, since you do not understand it.”

“And let's not get tangled up in the best interests of the county argument.”

“It doesn't take a genius to see the future where Ford Gravitt is concerned. Unfortunately, some people can't stand up with a principled argument when faced by a bully.”

"The appeaser keeps feeding the crocodile, in hopes that the appeaser is the last one eaten".

“Well today, the Great Dane was chased out of the house by the chihuahua.”

“I'll worry about my re-election campaign, Jim. You work on developing that spine.”

“I do NOT HAVE A CAMPAIGN MANAGER. Never have, never will. No one is "handling" me, and no one advises me on what to say. They know that it is useless to try. Principled people cannot be told what to say if they do not believe it.”

“But I still get what is best for the county, each and every time. because I am VERY effective at negotiating.”

DM: Let’s address this list of famous, close to last quotes shall we? Since our Savior David Richard is so smart I can’t help but wonder why in this world his best seller hasn’t appeared on Amazon Books in the last three and one half years. Maybe I missed that announcement. And then I am shockingly reminded that Dave sells discounted socks at an outlet mall. No disgrace in that, but you’d think that a “VERY effective at negotiating” kinda guy could manage to find for himself a higher paying and more prestigious occupation wouldn’t you? Must be some sort of penitence or community service thing on Dave’s part.....no...can’t be that because Dave Richard says that he doesn’t believe in penitence nor any compassion in government.

Dave comes here into Redneckville and attempts to show us how they do it in Yankeetown. How did we ever get by without him and his woman attacking smart mouth?

DR: “And let's not get tangled up in the best interests of the county argument.” Can you folks believe this one??? How crass of us to expect our county commissioners to get tangled up in the best interest of the county government, the unmitigated gall of those scoundrels! Where are the splintered rail, tar, and feathers?

Crocodiles, drooling imbeciles, idiots, sleaze mongers, bullies, Chihuahuas. My my, David Richard’s repertoire’ is so enriched with those things that are so heartwarming and cuddly. Words oft heard in every professional man’s public delivery eah? Why wouldn’t any self-respecting Voter just jump from their skin to vote for such a fun loving sort especially one who claims; “I am always right and you are always wrong?”

Here is a man who uses “developing a spine” and “I am VERY effective at negotiating” that helped attack the innocent Hansard family. That attack ultimately cost the Taxpayers of our county well over $239,000.00. Dave Richard says of the innocent Hansard family; “they are not very nice people”. This insult simply because they wanted to defend their property line from an unscrupulous county attorney who was too lowdown sorry to widen her own driveway. Now here are some figures ‘that can’ be substantiated and a far cry from these figures that lying David Richard has been spouting off about me and what being a political activist has cost this county. Yes Dave, I’ve got all those county accounts now and you can rest assured that they will be an intricate part of your election bid.

Now might be as good a time as any to get David Richard to do those public apologies to those he has libeled so often. What do you say Dave? But of course some will be asking for many public apologies since you have run that mouth as much as you have and have done so in sooooo many websites.

David Richard told me on the phone, more that once, that he despised Mayor Ford Gravitt and his goal was to put down Ford before he left office. I know now that that most likely meant; at whatever cost to the Taxpayers. But of course that always brought with it a chuckle from me, as Ford will squash smart mouth David Richard under foot with a pronounced “pop” like flatting an engorged roach bug. Ford Gravitt, just like me, will still be here Dave Richard when you are no longer remembered, in like two or three years. Citizens like to forget pain as quickly as possible you know?

Here is my take on splitting tax money; ...as long as I can see where it went and that place is of benefit to all county Citizens then I am happy. When I see my money being squandered, such as when my own county attorney and commissioner attacks innocent Forsyth County families, then I am not a happy camper especially when that self serving attack cost us $239,000.00 unnecessarily! I dare Dave Richard to show us any benefit in attacking the innocent Hansard family.

And Dave’s comment that he doesn’t have a campaign manger. Weeeeeelll, as Jack Benny used to say...how did we not know that???

TerryB,

Pay attention. I know that is hard for you.

I negotiate with developers each and every month on conditions to re-zonings. I've negotiated potential land acquisitions. I have never negotiated a litigation settlement without the prior approval of the board, but I have negotiated them.

I have no problem with swim teams. You said that, not me. My problem is when competition sports crowd out the use of recreational facilities (as they do now) and don't allow the general public to enjoy the recreational facilities they also pay for with their taxes.

I also didn't say that an appeal would have cost $30,000. You did. I said it would cost much less than that. I base it on the fact that appeals do not have the same preparation that trials have, because all the facts and testimony are put in evidence during the trial, not the appeal. Why would it be quick? Three words: Bond Validation Hearing. Get a lawyer to tell you why. I'm not going to spend a great deal of time typing why this was a slam-dunk.

Mr. Milum,

Have you proven any "corruption" today? Ever?

Still an 0-fer.

I rest my case.

I will have to disagree with you Mr. Richard. The sky is not falling on this deal we struck with the city and I do believe your emotion, and smart aleck comments have gotten YOU where you are today. Nowhere. REgardless of what you say on these many websites, the people will speak in the election. There is no issue with competitive swim teams! Why make it one! The city is taking care of the aquatic center-- I say great! Win- win! And in the meantime we get our roads. Hallelujah!

Also, I would rather a deal be struck between parties than with long drawn out litigation. Your notion that it would have been short and sweet is a NOTION, nothing more and nothing less.. and certainly not FACT... You say you deal only in facts...... well deal with this fact.. You do protesteth too much.

Do you also have a problem with competitive teams using park and recreation faciilities??? If so, why? There are plenty of opportunities to use all parks and recreation for the general public - regardless of the competitive teams using the facilities. Your argument is totally L-A-M-E

Mr. Richard-- Here is your quote:

"My problem is when competition sports crowd out the use of recreational facilities (as they do now) and don't allow the general public to enjoy the recreational facilities they also pay for with their taxes."

Now please explain this again. Correct me if I am wrong, but you don't see competitive sports programs as a nuisance, do you? If so, I take great exception to your comments/post. As a taxpayer, mom, and wife of a dedicated volunteer coach, I think our competitive sports programs in all the parks and recreation facilities in Forsyth County are exceptional. From the great park staff to all the volunteers, there is opportunity for kids and adults alike to volunteer, partake in the competition or be a spectator. Our competitive youth teams don't crowd anyone out!! The parks and rec leagues provide youth with a wonderful outlet to learn team sports, sportsmanship and great opportunities for community involvement. Mr. Richard, give it a try some time, you might learn something.

TerryB, you're an idiot.

DavidR, you are a jerk and a liar.

Is that all you got? Because I disagree with you, you call me an idiot.

I got news for you, you are no better than some in our current school board, who think parents and citizens alike are nuisances.

(Yawn) Bell supporters can be so repetitive.

Your statement above that competitive teams crowd out the general public and your prediction that swim teams will crowd out the general population is complete BULLPUCKY!

TerryB,

I don't call you an idiot because you disagree with me. I have plenty of people who disagree with me that I respect and admire.

I call you an idiot because you like to put words in my mouth when you know nothing about me or my stances. I call you an idiot because you never, ever do any homework on an issue before typing on your computer. I call you an idiot because you never stay focused on the issue being discussed.

In short, I call you an idiot because you are one.

I am glad to see that our elected officials have time to call others names on this website verses taking the time to address real issues. This entire article and commentary in this blog is a waste of time.

Mel,

Sadly, real issues were being discussed until some idiots hijacked the conversation.

And by the way, I can multi-task.

The problem is .....when someone questions - and it doesn't really seem to matter who - Mr. Richard just doesn't like it so he resorts to name calling. No Mr. Richard, I don't agree with you on this issue AT ALL, not when you allegedly go around telling people you would not have settled if it cost 100 million dollars...did you really say that? Come on fess up!!

And really -- at what point would you have considered settling..

Then he says it would have cost around $30,000 to appeal. Sorry Mr. Richard.. You are downplaying what it would have cost, then you allegedly go around saying you would not have settled if it cost 100 million dollars.

Jim,

Job well done!

Carol & Thom Julian

TerryB,

No, I never said anything like what you claim I said.

Again, you are an idiot. And uninformed. As usual.

Uninformed....not really. Maybe at one time I was, I will admit that. No sir, certainly not anymore. The 'idiot' card you continue to pull when you are questioned on something, is just that.... I am not buying it.

Dave, there were people in that meeting that claim that you said as much. Do those guys dislike you that much that they would lie about it?

But it is hard to pin you down sometimes, did you make any comment remotely similar to that? I know you will wiggle and you will say I never said that when you may have said 99 million or 101 million. You like to lie like that then you can make the bogus honesty claim. My mom always called that lying by omisson but it was still lying.

Truth is several people have mentioned you said something like that and I find it hard that several would lie about it. Especially when it is you that has a history of not being honest and playing word games.

It is even more funny that as you read these pages and your web site that so many people lie about good old Dave.

Coincidence or FACT? I wonder?

And you calling TerryB an idiot every time she questions you is getting old. When are you going to grow up?

Sam,

There were people at WHAT meeting that said I wouldn't settle for $100 million? Are you talking about the negotiating session? How would you know that?

And I'll tell you straight. Some people may believe (wrongly) that I wouldn't settle for for $100 million and said that to make a point, but they would be lying. I never said any such thing, not even remotely, not even close.

So come on, Sam, let's start naming some names here. WHO mentioned that I said something like that? Cat got your tongue? Or are you just doing the Patrick Bell "I'm protecting my lying weasel resources" routine?

Sam I don't pay any attention to his name-calling. Kind of like ignoring my kids when they get on my nerves. Besides, if a sitting county commissioner feels it necessary to respond in this manner, with this type of rhetoric, its on him.

Nah, I don't play games Mr Richard. I don't have time for them.

I speak the truth and that's that. I know what people told me. I have no use in making it up.

Thanks for proving my point, Sam. You people are pathetic. "Some people" told me. I "heard it" somewhere. Blah, blah, blah.

You people couldn't win an argument with yourselves.

OK, you are so right.

Mr. Richard... you calling everyone a liar and idiot, ......drooling imbecile, insensitive boob. and what was that thing you called lynn?... That one was classic. The audacity of what YOU sir, put in writing for the world to see..is amazing. But whatever!

T-e-r-r-y-B . . .

The I-D-10-T patrol car is circling your block right now . . .

David, you a an embarrassment.

At least you had the guts to post your real name when you made that statement, instead of hiding behind an anonymous one. I congratulate you on that, even if I don't agree with your opinion.

which candidate said he wants traffic to be his number one job?

I will vote for him and I think he is in district #5.

Ritchie,

That would be just about every candidate for all commission posts.

Which one said four years ago that he would cut the number or county ordinances in half during his first term?

That would be David Richard.

Today, we have at least as many ordinances, if not more, than when he was elected. So much for David Richard's campaign promises!

Mr. Wheeler,

Go write some more fiction for your boy Bell. His website is looking a little stale this evening.

Oh, and do try sticking to the subject of the SPLOST agreement, would you?

David, you are gain off base and wrong. You are pathetic and grasping at anything.

By the way, would you answer that one? How many ordinances when you were elected and how many today?

I have done the research on this one dear boy and hope you give the right answer. Unless you are scared to and give one of your silly excuses.

Sam, you and I both know David won't answer the question. I only asked it because I wanted to show he doesn't have spine to give a truthful, no-spin answer regarding his failed campaign promises.

I believe no one has talked about traffic execpt candidate #5 tery sweeney.

Already answered, losers, months ago.

Why not just own up to your failure Daivd? You lied and did not deliver.

Here is the information received from Forsyth County:

104 ordinances in 2004

110 ordinances in 2008

My math shows that to be more and it is a far cry from cutting the number in half.

Empty promises made to get elected David, you lied and did not deliver as promised.

OOOOOH! I've FAILED at something! How can I live with myself?

Big hairy deal, Sam.

I also KEPT 3 other ordinances from being enacted during that time and removed one.

And all that, while I got the really, really, big things done, like putting our transportation plan into high-gear, like moving us towards water independence, like slowing growth, like improving our ability to deliver sheriff and fire protection.

Yeah, you're right, Sam. I've failed.

God, can you be any more a loser? I don't think so.

Our own water intake? how much will it cost to generate water from the lake? give me an answer regarding how much does the city sell the county water for per thousand gallons?

Slowing growth? nawww it slowed itself down, right?

Delivered sheriff and fire protection? how can that be that you operate in those capicities as well?

Yahoo Thompson out

Ritchie,

Pay attention.

Anything the county can do, we can do cheaper than the city. Anything. We have the larger water service area and more customers. That means we have greater buying power. Look up the figures yourself for the rates. Look up both raw and finished water rates. If you haven't been paying attention, I am not your substitute for personal responsibility.

My re-zonings were the lowest density across Forsyth County. I'm the only commissioner to have two re-zonings for less than 1 unit per acre. I delivered changes to the UDC that will allow for slower growth when the market picked up. Pay attention, and open your eyes and mind, Ritchie.

I pushed for budget increases to fund those public safety services, and made sure that excessive requests were pared down to more reasonable ones. That was after I took the time to actually research what each department needed first-hand. I pushed the two replacement fire stations (1 & 2) to get built, and supported the new north and south sheriff's precincts. I've also pushed for better equipment for both departments.

Pay attention, Ritchie, and learn something new. You can disagree on my attitude, but you can't argue the FACTS of what I have accomplished in office.

David Richard, do you or do you not take full responsibility for needlessly costing the Taxpayers $239,000.00 with your attacks on the innocent Hansard family? You adamantly declared to me that I couldn't prove that you and county attorney Angela Davis had anything to do with the attacks on the innocent Hansard family and I want to know if you still wish for us to believe you.

Mr. Milum,

I am tired of your maniacal rantings about the "innocent" Hansard family. If you knew one tenth of what actually went on in that entire mess, you might actually begin to understand it. But you don't. You could, but you refuse to understand even the most basic english language.

Make your mistaken case any way you wish to. No one is listening to you anyway, because you are an 0-fer everything in your lifetime.

Obviously, I had something to do with that mess. You can't be the district commissioner and not have anything to do with it. But what you accuse regarding Angie Davis and I "getting together" to "attack" the "innocent" Hansard family is absolutely 100% false. She and I never, repeat, never spoke about that mess from day one. Neither did her partner, Ken Jarrard. Nor was Ken even in the room when we discussed this situation, as he left (voluntarily, I might add) whenever the commission discussed the Hansard family.

There was no attack, and they were not as innocent as you have been led to believe. But don't bother listening to me, because you only listen to the voices in your head.

Am I clear enough for ya?

It doesn’t really matter to me that you are tired Dave of hearing about the innocent Hansard family whom you attacked. Rest assured you will be hearing about this for some time to come so get used to it. And every Forsyth County Voter who will listen will be fully informed on how you and Angela Davis cost the Taxpayers over $239,000.00 for nothing other than an exercise of your little power trip and that of Angela Davis pushing you around like a soured mop so she wouldn’t have to widen her lakefront driveway, the real facts in this Hansard family attack.

You have this incessant way of trying to drag county attorney Ken Jarrard into many things you do yourself David Richard. To my knowledge not one solitary person has ever accused Ken of anything to do with this attack on an innocent Forsyth County family but here you are time after time doing your level best to push him in front of you like the coward you are Dave Richard. Trust me, Ken will not be running interference for you any longer Dave, as you Sir are now on your own. Lie as much as you wish because the county attorney will not be backing those lies up for you.

You mention that I don’t even know one tenth of what when on, so isn’t this as good a time as any for you to tell all these readers the other nine + tenths of what you think we don’t know Dave about how you attacked the innocent Hansard family?

Dave, don’t you really think that these readers are tiring of your; “understand even the most basic english language” sling? The first two or three of your replies where you used this limp-wristed swing at me might have scored a point or two but you Sir are certainly underestimating the intelligence of these readers if you think your pitiful responses are doing you any good now. Surely you can do better...after all you are a self-professed genius...right Dave?

Many of us would like to know what it is about the innocent Hansard family that you and Angela Davis seem to hate so badly. This is three or four times you have mentioned that the Hansards are not as innocent as I have been led to believe. Enlighten us Dave, how are they not innocent while you and Angela Davis are in your opinion? Here is your chance to tell us all why we should not be looking directly at you asking you why the Taxpayers had to shell out $239,000.00 for your attacks only because the Hansards wanted Angela Davis to move her driveway off their private land.

You say; “There was no attack, and they were not as innocent as you have been led to believe.” Why then did Judge Bagley order the county to cough up all that money in damages to the Hansards? And why did it take $239,000.00 to “lose” this case Dave? And what was the final outcome of the case Dave? Was it Angela Davis spending a few thousand moving her driveway off the innocent Hansard family property?

Keep on calling me names because Dave sooner or later these readers will know the truth on how you misused your office to attack an innocent Forsyth County family. I talked to Ken and he doesn’t seem too happy about your constant efforts to drag him into your idiotic screw-ups.

Look around Dave and tell us again how many county employees and staff are now backing you up. Tell us how many county commissioners are backing you up. Tell us how many of your neighbors are backing you up. And by all means tell us again about all that community participation in your re-election bid. Oh, and before I forget, I just have to hear from you about how smart you are. You do know how impressed I am when you do that ...right Dave?

You mentioned that you now have three part-time jobs to keep a roof over your head. If you need an extra weekend job you can come repair my aging split rail fence for me. I’m not strong enough for hard labor any more but I’ll hold the flashlight after you get off when you finish up selling socks that the outlet mall this Saturday night. And this is a promise in front of all these folks reading this; I’ll pay you double what you make at the outlet mall.

How many county employees and staff are supporting me? Lots, but you 'll never find out which ones, and I didn't have to ask a single one of them.

How many commisssioners are supporting me? I hope none, and hopefully many voters will not hear of any support. I don't want it, I don't need it, and it wouldn't help me right now in getting elected if I had it.

Neighborhood support? Lots.

Community support? Lots.

And why do I keep bringing up Ken Jarrard into this discussion? Because you, you demented liitle festering sore, made allegations that his law firm was part of this Hansard problem by passing on information to his partner from executive sessions. Maybe if you weren't such a blithering idiot, you might remember that little fact. Maybe if you didn't keep referring to "County attorney Anglia (your spelling, not mine) Davis" all the time, I wouldn't feel the need to keep Ken's name clear. Or Angie's, for that matter.

And no, you don't get the rest of the story, because it would open up your buddies the Hansards to ridicule and expose other really innocent people to your pathetic tirades. This episode ended years ago, but like a cancer you keep bringing it back up, with the same results - nothing but harm.

Still an 0-fer, Mr. Milum. Always an 0-fer. Forever an 0-fer.

Am I clear enough for ya?

DR; “And why do I keep bringing up Ken Jarrard into this discussion? Because you, you demented liitle festering sore, made allegations that his law firm was part of this Hansard problem by passing on information to his partner from executive sessions. Maybe if you weren't such a blithering idiot, you might remember that little fact.”

DM: What tangent are you off onto now Dave? “Executive session?”, “Passing on information?” "little fact?" Is this some of your spin I keep hearing about Dave? Do I need to look into some ‘passing of information’ that is a "little fact" now that you have brought that up? Here I firmly stated; that as far as I know Ken wasn’t involved in the least sort of way but you continue to drag him back in by stating some drivel about him passing information to Angela from the commission’s Executive Session. You can’t stand the thoughts of being all alone can you Dave? Being the smart mouthed coward you are you have to have someone run interference for you. Cowards are that way and you Sir are a perfect example of a coward. How does it feel when it starts to unravel all around you Dave?

I do my best to remove county attorney Ken Jarrard from the innocent Hansard family attacks because I am convinced that he wasn’t involved and you keep dragging him back in. As I told you Dave, you little fellow are now on your own. Ken has turned his back on those who would drag him and his $1.5 million per year down the tubes with the likes of you Dave. You ain’t worth the spit it would take to knock a fly off the wall Dave. Keep on with your name calling and let’s see how well you make out.

David Richard, does this mean I can’t hire you to repair my rail fence. Perhaps if I just loaned you a rail Dave.

Dave Richard,

I never expected you to answer the money end of the cost of the water we buy from the city.

It cost us 6cents per thousand gallons.

That is almost free.

Why not answer how much it will cost the county to build its own intake from the lake?????????

Answer: Millions of dollars , where as: The city put 10s of millions into their operation.

Keep talking,us YAHOOS are still wondering if you can see clearly through opaque glass?

Amswer: no

Ritchie

Mr. Richard...shouldn't you be out campaigning or something? Now.. let me clarify.. this is not jumping down your throat, It is asking a question.

Politics 101 -- Dont' call people names.

David has seen the enemy and it is him!

He was elected 4 years ago by a mere 400 votes against a man who never campaigned. His opponent never put out a sign, never attended a debate, never tried to win. And DR squeaked by.

Since then, he has alienated ALL of his fellow commissioners, the Mayor, city council, Chamber of Commerce, members of the Board of Education hallf the private citizens of the county. Now, Homeowners Associations are beginning to realize that he can't be trusted to keep his word and they are moving in large numbers to support Patrick Bell.

Bell's nice-guy personna and his desire for a more open more inclusive county government message is resonating with the voters as the memory of Richard's shrill insults is still ringing in their ears.

Debra,

Please provide any proof whatsoever that HOAs feel that I cannot be trusted to keep my word (since I always do, and since I usually vote in their best interests because it is our law I am upholding).

This one should be interesting. Do I need to get some popcorn for this entertainment?

Ladies and Gentlemen (or boys & girls as DR likes to refer to us) this afternoon is the public hearing and meeting at the administration building. It's on the 2nd floor.

Please, if you can on short notice, why not go down to the meeting and see what's going on? It starts at 5 o'clock today.

Happy to, Dave. You made a commitment to cut the number of county ordinances in half during your first term. You faiied to meet that commitment.

You won't need popcorn. If you had any shame whatsoever, you'd be eating crow instead.

Debra,

If that is your idea of proof, don't go into the legal or law enforcement professions.

David Richard, are you an atheist? You said; and I quote below;

Subject: RE: An example of what happens.... Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:32:08 -0500 From: DWRichard@forsythco.com To: [edited]@hotmail.com

“And since I don't believe in a life after death, nor of penance, I am not worried about being chained.”

Subject: RE: An example of what happens.... Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:34: 18 -0500 From: DWRichard@forsythco.com To: [edited]@hotmail.com

“Compassion has no place in government.”

These statements of yours make you appear as an atheist...are you an atheist David? Is this the reason you use such foul language and lie so much because you do not think there will ever be any accountability for you in the future?

Would it surprise you to know that some never forget or will forgive how you have treated them? Do other innocent Forsyth County families have to fear that you will again attack them without cause?

I overheard someone saying you need to wear a helmet when you go into Dave Richards office.

Questiion, what kind of helmet do we neeed to wear Mr. Richard. Football helmet, baseball helmet, hockey helmet, lacross helmet, boxing gear, or a judo gee?

Mr. Thompson,

As usual, when you "overhear" things, you get them wrong. Just like before.

Mr. Milum,

No, I am not an atheist. You are just too dumb to understand what I was writing about. Since the person in question was writing about reincarnation, not life after death, I responded that I did not believe that I would be coming back as a chained dog. If reincarnation does, however, exist, you'll probably come back as something much smarter than you are today - maybe an amoeba.

Since you have pitifully failed to spin away your own very clear statement on not believing in an afterlife you got all excited and forget to answer to your statement ”Compassion has no place in government.” Let’s see how well you spin that statement into oblivion Dave. That is if you have the guts to tackle it.

In case you are wondering, I should be able to put together that presentation soon on how you lied through your teeth when you denied having anything to do with the attacks on the innocent Hansard family. Shame on you liar!

To be fair I’ll make sure I tell everyone that you have now publicly denied being an atheist.

Mr. Milum,

I am not your personal answering machine. Howver, if it will just get you to shut your pie hole for a while, compassion has NO PLACE in government. When compassion rules, laws get ignored or broken. We are a nation of laws, not of men. The same rules should aplly equally to everyone, which rules compassion out.

Am I clear enough for ya?

And no one cares one bit about your current tilt at windmills. Except for the many voices in your demented head.

Mr. Richard, can you clarify something for me please?

Exactly what does your statement about not accepting developer contributions mean?

Thank you.

PS. I posted at on two forums but you can answer just one. I was not sure which one you read first and I realized it was of topic.

Uh, Sam?

That would mean I don't accept money (or in-kind donations) from developers or their legal agents (that would mean their lawyers for Bell supporters). I am the only candidate or commissioner with that pledge, and the only one to continue it through two campaigns.

Please tell me you really didn't know what that meant.

Oh, ok.

I just wanted to hear it from you and give you the very first opportunity to make sure your exact meaning was heard.

Those developers (or their agents/lawyers) giving you support in the way of sign placement would not be close to accepting money or in-kind support but it is support. Right?

I would hate for that to mean you were lying all this time about not accepting support from developers.

But it may be that word game you are so good at. You know, the spin and lying by omission.

It was just a concept I was thinking about, that's all. May not mean a thing and may not even be part of your campaign. It was just a thought.

I am not at all an opponent of anyone showing support for a candidate, I just wondered more how you would try and pigeon hole this into your rhetoric.

Yeah, Sam, now, with all the supposed power I have over people, I'm going to force people who live in Forsyth County to NOT be able to express their opinion on my candidacy.

Are you saying I should expressly forbid them to talk to their neighbors and friends about their support for me? Are you saying I should buy muzzles for them? Or are you just saying that I should let them know that the FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM?

Of course you wouldn't be an opponent of anyone showing support for a candidate, but of course you have no problem in trying to smear me again by bringing this up, like a typical Bell supporter, now would you?

Why don't you ask yourself this? Why do the very people many of you think should be totally and completely against me (developers and their lawyers) are supporting me in any way they can? Because they all, to a person, tell the same story: I've never lied to them, I always listen to them, and I never do something I said I wasn't going to do.

Talk to the people who actually have to work with me on a monthly basis, not the Patrick Bell's of the world who never met me until the mayor's anti-SPLOST committee meeting. You'll see why Patrick Bell is lying through his teeth about me, and why I have support across the county because the picture he paints is simply fiction.

No, I am just saying that you are aware that some of the signs you have placed are on developer owned property.

When asked around a bit, they gave you permission because they support you. That is fine as they can support you or not. This is not the issue.

My point is you know the signs are on developer owned property and you have put them there. You have accepted support from those you claim not to accept support from.

Just another one of those little things people should know about you and your funny habit of mixing up words or omitting the truth.

Oh, I have talked to those that have to work with you on a daily basis. Some have said they would rather resign than have to deal with you another 4 years.

Yeah, right. I believe you like I believe anything that Patrick Bell says. Of course, you can't name a single one of them, could you? You know, as in provide proof of what you say?

And yes, I know exactly where all my signs are going, and I have permission from everyone whose property my signs are on; unlike Mr. Bell, who doesn't seem to respect property rights very much when it comes to the placement of his signs.

Many of the people who have my signs volunteered their real estate for me, some (fewer) I asked directly. You have a problem with that? I never claimed to not accept support from them - that is your statement. I do not accept contributions from them, either monetary or in-kind, even though many have offered.

Now, can your boy Bell make that same claim? I don't think so.

Name who? Where your signs are going?

I think that there is a piece of property owned by a developer by the name of Matt & Bannister Company or something like that. Actually I know the exact name and who is behind it, who the partners are and much more. But this is not the place to talk about that as it is not them that needs to be called on the carpet. It is not my intent to embarass them.

Ring a bell? Hmmmmm? Or do I need to provide more details? Keep pushing Commissioner, keep pushing.

You are accepting support from developers. And that is not my problem at all. The problem is you make people think you do not accept any support from developers and it just aint so.

Play the word games about not accepting contributions but we all know what you are trying to pull. When are you ever going to be 100% open and honest?

David Richard Jun 6, 2008 6:43am [ 76 ]

Mr. Milum, I am not your personal answering machine. Howver, if it will just get you to shut your pie hole for a while, compassion has NO PLACE in government. When compassion rules, laws get ignored or broken. We are a nation of laws, not of men. The same rules should aplly equally to everyone, which rules compassion out. Am I clear enough for ya?

And no one cares one bit about your current tilt at windmills. Except for the many voices in your demented head.

DM: So you are telling us that you have absolutely no compassion when it comes to Forsyth County Voters and their children as you serve as one of our county commissioners? Did I really understand that correctly Dave? In your eyes there is never a time when laws should be balanced with common sense and compassion that a Voter or their kids might need a break when one was deserved? Is this something that you brought with you from Yankeetown Dave?

Does this also mean that the same laws that I had to endure at the hands of crooked judges and lawyers should be the very same gauntlet that you will have to run when you get sued for libel one day Dave?

Not to sound pushy or anything but you never did say yea nor nay on you repairing my split rail fence for me Dave. Do you want the job or not? Who knows, if you do a good job for me I might suggest to others that you are good at this kind of work since you are such a dismal failure at being a county commissioner or even a decent human being for that matter.

But being the kind-hearted sort I am, I’m still giving you that chance to jump on this fence job tomorrow afternoon late. Don’t worry; I’ll furnish the flashlight and a coke when you’re done. Plus don’t forget that I offered to pay you double the going discount sock selling rate you’re used to Dave.

You never did offer up a comment on why such a genius as yourself has to work three piddlly little jobs to keep a roof over your head. Many of us are curious about that Dave. Does this really have to do with some form of penitence since you told us that you are not an atheist?

Sam,

Pay attention. I know it is hard for you.

You said that there are some people I work with that are willing to resign rather than work with me for another four years. I'm sure you have their names, since you claim to talk with them. Just as I am sure you will once again use the "I'm protecting my sources" excuse when I ask for proof of your claims.

The problem here is that I am ALWAYS 100% open and honest. I tell you that developers are supporting me and you claim I'm not being honest. I say I don't accept contributions from developers, and I don't, and you say I'm not being honest. You say that HOAs feel I can't keep my word, yet for some reason, I don't think you represent the feelings HOAs at all, do you? How does that work, exactly? Is it because you are an idiot?

You, on the other hand, just like your boy Bell, claim to tak to people and don't back up your claims. Whose not being 100% honest here?

Sorry Sam. Another swing and a miss by the Bell campaign that pledged to run a clean campaign without lies.

David, why did you vote against the Daves Creek Joint Venture Park? I'm sure the people in Daves Creek would appreciate hearing your explanation for that.

Debra,

Don't you have a press release to write for Patrick Bell, since we now know he can't even write his own material?

As I explained YEARS AGO, I don't like giving away water and sewer fund dollars as "compensation" for something the county might want. For Bell supporters, the water and sewer fund is an enterprise fund that can ONLY be funded by water and sewer rates. If we give those funds away, or don't collect them at all, our binds for that fund may be jeopardized.

In addition we didn't get enough land, we didn't get enough field time and we pay the costs to maintain the park. It wasn't a very good sharing deal for the county, especially using the wrong funds from water and sewer.

Now, why don't you go back to working on Patrick Bell's campaign and violating his clean campaign pledge some more?

And how did that vote turn out for you? Was the Daves Creek Joint Venture approved or were you on the losing side of that argument also?

Looks like you're very ineffective in getting others to agree with you. Am I clear enough for you?

Dave, you can attempt to spin it however you like. You can attempt to use your normal ways of name calling to try and take the eyes off the issue. You accept developer, and their agents, support. It is not monetary but it is support. Your website is misleading and your claim is misleading. It makes the voters think you steer clear of them when in reality you don't. You are a liar by omission and this is proven by your answers here on this thread.

You are worse than anyone I have ever seen about using the word games to claim your supposed honesty. You are not honest and truthful, you play word games.

I did not know you voted against the joint venture park! Shows again you simply cannot see the governing bodies in this county should work together for the mutual benefit of our citizens.

Anyone who enjoys the beautiful new Avenue Forsyth should know hat Dave opposed that project as well.

Isn't it true that you voted against sewer for that project, Dave? Without it The Avenue Forsyth could not have been built.

Good thing the smarter commissioners outvoted ol' Dave. (For Dave Richard supporters, that would be all of them).

Debra,

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your stupidity.

I did NOT oppose the Avenue Forsyth project. I did oppose the sewer and tax give away for that project. And you have no idea whether that project would have been built without those concessions, unless you have suddenly turned into the representative from Cousins.

But here is Dave's new rule:

If you twits at the Bell campaign (that would be Sam, Debra, Jimmy, Dale, etc.) want to know what I did or did not do, don't bother asking me a question on this forum.

Your boy Bell will have to man it up (if that is even possible for him) and ask me himself. I'm tired of dealing with his flunkies. You've all proven the old adage, "You can't argue with idiots" all too many times.

Looks like ol' Dave only had to work half a day at the used sock shop today. Good boy. Now report immediately to McDonald's they need you at the Drive Up Window!

Here is why Sam is lying to everyone. Yet another day in the life of a typical Bell supporter.

Sam writes: "Your website is misleading and your claim is misleading."

Here is what my website has read for years: "I will not accept campaign contributions from any developer, or their legal representative. So even though I won't take money from the development community, they are always welcome at my table to discuss what is important to Forsyth County."

Misleading, Sam? Maybe if English is your third language.

Patrick Bell can't get anywhere in this campaign, so he sends out his minions to lie about me, so he can stand above the fray and say what a clean campaign he has run. But the filth and stench cling to him at every utterance from his myrmidons.

Personally, I'd be embarrassed to have such ignorant, lying malcontents supporting me.

Readers, please be aware that we have a spammer on the site now, assuming the identity of other prominent people. If a post appears under your name, but you did not put it there, please let me know asap. The post will be immediately deleted and the poster's IP address will be banned from the site permanently

Thanks! Steve Carter